A gentleman going by the name “Anonymous age 72” had the following to say on Dalrock.
I started a 10 year period of counseling divorced men, in 1984. A few months later, a Christian man called me. He had caught his wife in adultery, and went to his pastor for support and advice. That pastor screamed at him, telling him it was his fault. I was stunned. I had been reading the Bible long before most of you (please don’t waste our time again with a sample of one, I plainly said most) were born. And, I never saw the part that any human was ever responsible for the sin of another human. If it was in there, I wanted to know. So. I took a paper back bible and read through it line by line, page by page. I did not want to trust my choice of words in a Concordance. When I encountered any verse which had any reference to men; women; marriage; divorce; sex; or even anything close, I noted it in the back pages. It took quite a while.
That was 30 years ago, but it seems like it took me weeks of spare time. BUT I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IT REALLY SAID, NOT WHAT SOME HERETIC SAID IT SAYS NOR WANTS IT TO SAY. After the list was complete, I went back and studied each and every reference, in great detail. If it seemed to be an important reference, I compared other translations. Heretics are great at saying, “Well, you have the wrong translation,” as just another cop-out.
Here is what I found, not just what I wanted it to say. I suspect you are engaged in projection. In the Garden, God, not Adam, was Eve’s spiritual leader and teacher. When Eve sinned she sinned in rebellion against God, not Adam. According to the logic (not) of the heretics, God was a failed leader and teacher, but that is not what the Bible says. So, Eve was able to rebel against God Himself, but you heretics expect more from a mortal husband than God was able to accomplish?
Hee, hee. How droll. There are three ‘contentious’ verses in the Bible which take down the heresy rather quickly and efficiently.
- It is better to live on a rooftop than to live with a contentious wife.
- It is better to live in the desert than to live with a contentious wife.
- And, he who can control a contentious wife can control the winds.
I am not bothering to mine the verses directly, nor to give chapter and verse. Heretics don’t change their minds anyway. And, those who want can find them very quickly. Those three verses, for those who know what the Bible actually says, make it clear no man can lead or control a rebellious (non-submissive) wife. Period. Any attempt to twist things around and come up to a different conclusion is pure heresy.
IMO, and I have no verses to prove this, heresy comes from Satan. There is a lot more, of course, all consistent with the reality that male leadership cannot exist outside of female submission. For example, the Bible plainly charges wives with submitting to their husbands. No conditions are stated. No where are husbands charged directly with leading their wives. If you heretics actually understood men at all, you would know that when a wife truly submits, few men can fail to lead. It is wired in their systems, just as most women turn into a Mom when they hold their own baby in their arms (unless taught differently by feminists).
You don’t know this because you either have never married, or were not married to a submissive wife, and never knew a submissive wife. (There aren’t many today with the heretics teaching them how to (NOT) be wives.) The Bible in several places does describe what effective male leadership should be like, but it does not say a man can lead a contentious wife. You guys who have never actually read the entire Bible in light of this topic are relying on the short list of verses given to you by your local heresy support group. it is easy for them and Satan to lead you astray.
My SIL, the highly obese Baptist deacon from Amarillo, has spent a lot of time, red in the face, screaming at me as loudly as he can, out of Ephesians, in obedience to the Baptist deacon version of RESPECT YOUR ELDERS. The really funny part of this is his wife, my eldest daughter, is one of the most contentious women I have ever known. Until they walk into the church on Sunday. “Oh, isn’t God’s morning wonderful? And, aren’t we Christian dearies just so submissive?”
She is a previously divorced woman. Her church will not let a man be a deacon whose wife abandoned him 40 years ago, and has lived a Christian life for those 40 years, but let my daughter work with babies in the nursery. Heretics are a hard core group. In the last 30 years, knowing exactly what the Bible actually said, I have heard just about every imaginative thing out of them. Samples, include, well, if a man will just man up his wife will WANT to submit. Or, will find it easier to submit. On, and on, and on. Pure hogwash. A wife either submits or she doesn’t. And, almost all today DON’T!